Showing posts with label Deansgate. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Deansgate. Show all posts

Saturday, 1 April 2023

Deansgate Cycle Slalom

 Deansgate is famous for it's on-street sports events and Manchester City Council seem hell bent on inventing a new one, cycle slalom.

The new northbound cycle lane weaves it's way between pavement and a forest of bollards with priority being given to vehicle parking, loading bays and traffic coming out of side streets.

What's wrong with building cycle lanes that actually go in a straight line along a straight road?


Southbound you are running with the traffic negotiating badly designed bus gates before you are suddenly directed to cross the traffic onto the opposite side of the road only to be dumped back into the traffic just before the end.


Tempted to call it a load of bollards...


Friday, 25 November 2022

Deansgate Closed for Cycling


 Manchester City Council have allowed contractors to close Deansgate northbound for cycling for electrical works.


 #cyclistsdismount

Thursday, 28 May 2020

Deansgate Victory - Cycle Ban Lifted

Thanks to the assistance of one of the ward councillors the cycling ban on Deansgate has been lifted, at least as far as the signs go.



This is a very important change, because whilst the cycling ban was in place the police could arbitrarily target people cycling in the area, and as we have often seen in the past there are PCSOs who love getting in the local press for their anti cycling campaigns.



I have yet to see the amended traffic order, I understand there were other problems with the one way working past Parsonage Gardens where some very influential people live...

However, the fact still remains that the rest of Deansgate is still a four lane race track when there is plenty of space for popup cycle lanes.

Wednesday, 27 May 2020

Deansgate Update

I now have a copy of the traffic order, thanks to our local councillor.



The key problem is the Prohibition of Vehicular Traffic. There is no exception for cycles.

Strangely though the signs have been removed this morning, so watch this space...




Tuesday, 19 May 2020

Deansgate: don't believe the hype.

There has been a lot of bullshit in the past few days about new popup cycle facilities in the media. However the reality on the ground in central Manchester is looking grim. The much vaunted closure of Deansgate is only a short section at the northern end of the street. Here is a video of the full length of Deansgate, shot last Sunday 17th May.



The rest of Deansgate is still being used as a racetrack by motorists now there are few other drivers to block their way. Speeds of 50-60mph are not uncommon.

Not only that but the details of the closure are unclear. The council web site states that "This will provide a shared space for both pedestrians and cyclists." see https://secure.manchester.gov.uk/info/500352/roadworks_and_closures/7959/deansgate_temporary_closure/2 However the signage at the closure is for "No Vehicles"



This indicates that the closure excludes cycling, the Highway Code states the sign means "No vehicles except pedal cycles being pushed by hand"

see page 17 of https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/519129/know-your-traffic-signs.pdf

So either the signage is wrong and needs to be changed or the council web site and press releases are incorrect in saying that this section of the road is open for cycling.

Secondly the signage further south down Deansgate where the road is still open is significantly narrowing the pavement




causing people to have to walk in the road to keep 2m distancing. This is very dangerous, with the dangerous driving along this streatch.

In other parts of central Manchester, like Oxford Road the new writing on the road strongly suggests that cycle lanes are going to be closed in order to widen the pavements.


I may have to resort to FoI requests to find out what the traffic orders actually say.


Sunday, 23 June 2019

Deansgate mass bike ride...

Yesterday I saw this group of youngsters riding down Deansgate.



They were pulling wheelies from time to time.



The group was mostly male,



So I'm assuming it had nothing to do with the recent climate protests or Clean Air Week...



Sunday, 23 September 2018

TfGM City Centre Survey

Another poorly publicised TfGM transport survey - this time about the city centre.

Time to ban the motor vehicles...!

https://www.tfgm.com/your-city-centre



Survey closes 17th October 2018.

Sunday, 5 July 2015

Bridgewater Cycleway Consultation Reply

My reply to the Bridgewater Cycleway Consultation ends 10th July.



1. Please say what you think of our proposals, telling us what you agree or disagree with and why.
If a comment relates to a specific feature or stretch, please clarify which.


Why do you only allow 10 minutes to fill out the reply?

Why don’t you allow the inclusion of diagrams and photos?

Why have you ignored the responses to the previous consultation carried out last year?

These new proposals are just as bad as before and are worse than the existing road layout for cycling.

The proposals for the Deansgate, Whitworth St West and Bridgewater Viaduct junction are so bad that they will make cycling more dangerous by creating a false sense of security.

The diagram of the junction layout is inadequate for a consultation process - it is too small to see all the details, the dimensions of the lanes are not given and the bus stops are not labeled.

Overall these proposals are simply paint on the road which time and time again have shown to be inadequate at preventing motorists from entering cycle lanes and other cycle facilities as they are not adequately enforced by Greater Manchester Police. The use of pavement for cycling is just dreadful.

Also these plans do not join up with those for the Liverpool Road, Deansgate junction, they show contradictory detail.

The cycle lanes that are proposed run straight into two bus stops - this is just stupid. The northbound bus stop is currently suspended and both could be removed.

The cycle lane drifting into the middle of two lanes southbound on Deansgate will be ignored by motorists as will the left turn only lane and motorists in the left lane will race to get onto the Bridgewater Viaduct, driving through the cycle lane as they do so.

The cycle lanes on Whitworth St West will push people turning right to the left hand side of the road making the right turn more dangerous, the right curving cycle lane across the junction is pointless and makes the junction more confusing.

The road layout in this area needs to be dramatically redesigned:-

The Bridgewater Viaduct, Deansgate and Whitworth Street West are all too wide. They serve to pump high levels of traffic into the city centre and cause rat running through the area.
  • All three roads should be reduced to one lane of traffic in each direction. The islands should be removed from the road and the junction turned into a simple “T” junction. Pedestrian crossings should be provided across all three arms of the T junction.
  • Fully segregated cycle tracks should be built alongside Bridgewater Viaduct in both directions with solid kerbing to prevent them being blocked by motor vehicles. These should be taken out of the existing road space to narrow the road and reduce traffic capacity. The existing pavement cycle lane is useless and should be removed.
  • Fully segregated cycle tracks should be built alongside Deansgate in both directions with solid kerning to prevent . These should be taken out of the existing road space to narrow the road and reduce traffic capacity.
  • Fully segregated cycle tracks should be built alongside Whitworth Street West in both directions with solid kerning to keep traffic out . These should be taken out of the existing road space to narrow the road and reduce the capacity for motor vehicles.
  • Traffic Lights at the junctions should only go green for one road at a time to ensure safe right turning.
  • there should be separate green phases for cycles to remove conflict with motor vehicles. This includes the cycles coming from the lower part of Deansgate.
  • Bridgewater Street should be closed to motor vehicles at the junction with Deansgate. Most of the use of this road is rat running and it makes this area more dangerous.
  • The right turn by motor vehicles from Bridgewater Viaduct into the lower part of Deansgate should be removed


2. If specific parts of the proposals could affect you, please give details and clarify which section or feature you're commenting on.


All of it - I live in the city centre and often cycle and walk through this area.

This is one of the most horrible places to walk or cycle there is far too much traffic.


3. Please add any other comments about the route as a whole or specific stretches of the proposals.


The two way cycle track that goes from the end of the Bridgewater Viaduct to the roundabout ends dangerously when heading north. This whole area needs re-engineering to reduce traffic speeds.

It would be helpful if the Council published proper layouts with dimensions.

Sunday, 7 June 2015

Response to Manchester City Council: Proposal to Improve Deansgate Junction with Liverpool Road and Great Bridgewater Street

I don't know whether these plans have been discussed with the new Manchester Cycle Forum group, but I received it as a local resident. As far as I can tell these plans are not available on the City Council web site. If you wish to respond you can email c.ebizie(at)manchester.gov.uk by the 12th June. I have responded as a local resident along the following lines...





I frequently walk and cycle through this junction and occasionally have to drive through it.

This is a dangerous and intimidating junction for anyone cycling or walking. The behavior of drivers in this area is dreadful. Speeding is a frequent problem in this area, as are drivers using the wrong lanes, blocking cycle lanes and running red lights. Stand at this junction for more than 10 minutes and you will see cars, taxis or even buses being driven through red lights.


Looking North


Looking South


Looking East - note the respect shown for the cycle facilities!


Looking West


National Cycle Network Route 6 runs through this junction


This is what it is like to cycle NCN 6 here.

I support the proposal to ban right turns for motor vehicles from Deansgate in both directions, not least because I suggested this approach to the council last year. At the time I was told that it was not possible, so I am glad to see this first step. However, the proposals do not go far enough to make this junction safe and people friendly and are still dangerous. This design will encourage even more dangerous rat running along Barton Street and Southern Street to get around the banned right turn into Liverpool Road.


Barton Street

The proposed design lacks good quality segregated cycle tracks and the proposal places people cycling directly in the path of left turning traffic on all four approaches.

Also, these proposals have been brought forward in isolation without the plans for the junction on Deansgate by the station and the plans for Liverpool Road, both of which will have an impact on this design.

There are a number of changes that I think are necessary to ensure that this junction is safe:-
  • Ban right turns for motor vehicles from Liverpool Road onto Deansgate southbound.
  • Ban right turns for motor vehicles from Great Bridgewater Street onto Deansgate northbound.
  • Reduce the northbound road to a single lane for motor traffic approaching the junction on Deansgate.
  • Reduce the southbound road to a single lane for motor traffic approaching the junction on Deansgate.
  • Use the road space reallocated by reducing the number of lanes to create 3 metre wide segregated cycle tracks on all four approaches to the junction and remove the advance stop boxes.
  • Install traffic lights with separate traffic light phases for cycles.
  • Enable right turns for cycles in all directions during the green cycle phase.
  • Close Barton Street and Southern Street to motor vehicles by placing bollards in the road at the junction with Liverpool Road on both sides to prevent dangerous rat running.


Sunday, 20 July 2014

Deansgate Junction Consultation ZZ208237H

Comments in response to ZZ208237H – Cycle City Ambition Grant – The Bridgewater Canal

General Comments


It is very unfortunate that this design is being considered in isolation from the LSTF proposals for the junctions to the north involving Trafford Street, Bridgewater Street, Liverpool Road, Great Bridgewater Street and Deansgate. These two areas need to be considered as one design in order to create a coherent design for the whole area.

Though labelled The Bridgewater Canal the main substance of this document is the junction between Deansgate, both north and south, Whitworth Street West, the Bridgewater Viaduct and Castle Street. This is a very unpleasant and complex junction which has been designed to maximise traffic flows and creates a very unpleasant environment for people walking and cycling.



The proposed design lacks ambition for encouraging of cycling in the city and when judged on the five core principles of design for people walking and cycling, safety, coherence, directness, comfort and attractiveness1 these proposals fail on all these principles. It also fails to take account of people with children in cycle trailers or people with disabilities who ride unconventional machines such as handcycles.



See detailed comments in Appendix 1.

Alternative Design

Rather than focus on the proposed junction layout, the junction should be redesigned to increase safety and improve the environment which would also bring economic benefits to the Castlefield area which has several bars and clubs as well as the tram stop and railway station.

I live in this area, and during rush hour many more people walk through this area than travel by car. The priority for this area needs to be radically changed to improve the environment for walking and cycling.

Walking is the most common way of moving around Castlefield and those who arrive by bus, tram or train also walk to their final destination. In the City Centre around 43% of residents travel to work on foot2. This whole area must prioritise the movement of people and restrict the movement of motor vehicles.

This junction could be radically simplified by taking a completely different approach to the phasing of the traffic lights, namely that each arm of the junction should be given the green phase in turn so that there are no conflicting traffic movements for people turning right. There should also be an all green walking/cycling phase where all motor vehicles are stopped.

The great advantage of having of having green phases for each arm in turn is that there need only be a single vehicle lane leading up to the junction, because there is no need for traffic to give way in any direction. This enables the area taken up by motor vehicles to be dramatically reduced, leaving space for the inclusion of high quality cycle provision through this junction as well as a significantly improved environment for people on foot.

As a result the Bridgewater Viaduct, Deansgate and Whitworth Street West can all be reduced to one traffic lane each way leaving room for good quality cycle tracks on both sides of the road.

There would then be no need for traffic light control ofCastle Street. It should be a give way junction, set back from the cycle track. There should be no right turn onto the Bridgewater Viaduct and no right turn into Castle Street from Bridgewater Viaduct southbound. This would allow people cycling northbound on the Bridgewater Viaduct to bypass the traffic lights straight up onto Deansgate, giving cycles a significant advantage over the motor vehicles.

A similarly radical approach needs to be taken with the Liverpool Road, Great Bridgewater Street and Deansgate junction to the north.

See below for a rough sketch of a possible layout. Note the dramatically different scale of the roads in the area. Red signifies motor vehicles, green pedal cycles.



Appendix 1 Detailed comments on the original proposals

Deansgate / Whitworth Street West / Bridgewater Viaduct/Castle Street Junction
The principle proposals for the junction are:
• Upgrade the existing pelican crossing to a toucan crossing to facilitate signal controlled
cyclist movements across the junction east/west direction to access the Bridgewater
Canal

The current pedestrian crossing layout is inadequate, it does not enable crossing at the southern end of Deansgate, nor the north end of Bridgewater Viaduct, both of which are significant desire lines, particularly with the Railway and Tram stations nearby.

The area to the south, Deansgate below the bridge, is very unpleasant and often used as a car park. Access to this area needs to be closed off to motor vehicles and a properly defined cycle track created across this area.



• Relocate and increase existing pedestrian islands within the junction

These islands are very small, and would not be big enough, for example, for a bicycle with a trailer carrying children.

• Unsegregated shared footways between crossing points

This is an unsatisfactory approach. Simply pushing pedal cycles onto the pavement causes conflict and reduces the amount of space for people on foot.

• New ASL (Advanced Stop Line) on right turn lane from Whitworth Street West on to
Deansgate. ASL cycle reservoir increased on Deansgate southbound

Lack of feeder cycle lane into new reservoir makes it pointless.

It is proposed to amend the existing traffic lane arrangement at the junction:
• Bridgewater Viaduct northbound; from one lane ahead, one lane ahead and right to one
lane ahead, one lane right

There will be nothing to prevent vehicles ignoring these markings, leading to conflict.
• Deansgate southbound; from one lane ahead, one lane ahead and left to one lane
ahead, one lane left

Again there is no physical barrier to prevent drivers cutting right across pedal cycles from the left hand lane.
• Whitworth Street West and Castle ; existing lane arrangement to be retained
Cycle lanes are proposed to be introduced at the junction, see drawing ZZ208237H-000-005 Rev D. All proposed cycle lanes are at least 1.5m wide, with width increased through
junctions.

It is unacceptable to be installing cycle lanes less than 2m wide when narrow cycle lanes make driver behaviour worse3.

Also there should be no right turn from Castle Street onto the Bridgewater Viaduct and there should be no right turn into Castle Street from Bridgewater Viaduct southbound.

Deansgate (to the north of the junction)
The main proposals are:
Northbound
• Direct northbound traffic into the centre of the carriageway and away from cyclists
travelling in the nearside cycle lane by introducing a small splitter island

The island looks very small from the plans and the cycle lane runs straight into the bus stop.

• Existing bus stop to remain

see above

• Tie into the Local Sustainable Transport Fund (LSTF) proposed works along Deansgate
(project number 206292) Southbound

It is quite impossible to comment on this as these plans have not been provided.

• 2m wide cycle lane between the two general traffic lanes

This is a pretty scary looking cycle lane, and it will be difficult to reach in moving traffic
• Cyclists in more prominent and visible position on approach to the junction

This may not make much difference, see above.

• Accessing the unsegregated shared footway through dropped kerbs in the ASL reservoir

Again this is pushing pedal cycles onto the pavement bringing about conflict with people on foot.
Whitworth Street West
The main proposals are:
Eastbound
• Cyclists can access Whitworth Street West eastbound using the proposed toucan
crossing and unsegregated shared footway

This will be slow and inconvenient and will be difficult for cycles with trailers or other larger machines.

• Tie into existing cycle lane via a short length of proposed 1.5m cycle lane
Westbound

It is unacceptable to be installing cycle lanes less than 2m wide when narrow cycle lanes make driver behaviour worse4.
• Nearside cycle lane to access unsegregated shared area under the railway arch or cycle
lane on Bridgewater Viaduct southbound

It is not clear how this will work from the diagram. Suddenly stopping in the lane to try and get onto a busy pavement is a real problem.

• Cyclists can access all arms of junction using proposed toucan crossing

Again this will be slow and inconvenient and will be difficult for cycles with trailers or other larger machines.

• Access to Deansgate and the Bridgewater Canal via unsegregated shared area

Again this will be slow and inconvenient and will be difficult for cycles with trailers or other larger machines.

• Tie into existing cycle lane

The existing cycle lane is too narrow and dangerous because of the on-street parking.
Bridgewater Viaduct
The main proposals are:
Northbound
• Cyclists join carriageway on approach to the junction with Castle Street, as existing

This existing cycle track is dangerous and is largely ignored by people cycling. The entrance to the ASL is particularly dangerous.



• Lighting column proposed to be relocated

See above.
Southbound
• On carriageway 2m cycle lane

As the plans show the reduction from 2 to 1 traffic lane, there will be space to provide a 2m wide segregated cycle track rather than an unprotected lane which will be blocked in rush hour by drivers forming two lanes.


Deansgate (Chester Road to Whitworth Street West)
The main proposals are:
• To access the canal basin, an existing car parking space is to be relocated as shown

This is very dangerous. Firstly there is the danger of ending up trying to emerge between parked vehicles such as vans which block any view of oncoming traffic.



Secondly all the parking spaces are at right angles to the road with most people driving into the parking spaces. This means they reverse out into the road, without sight of oncoming cycles. All this parking needs to be turned parallel to the road to make this route safe.



• Preferred canal basin access option would involve the removal of one existing car
parking space; however, there is space adjacent to the existing car parking bays for a
replacement space

See above

• Ramp access on towpath by canal basin

The surfacing of this ramp needs to be such that it does not become slippery when wet. The current surfacing can become very slippery in the winter.

• Tie in with existing cycling facilities on Chester Road

This will need to be updated to provide a satisfactory access and egress.


• Signed route to Deansgate/Manchester City Centre for cyclists travelling northbound
using existing two way cycle track on Chester Road

See above. Note most of the signage around the city centre for cycling is unsatisfactory and difficult to follow, especially the NCN routes.






Saturday, 8 December 2012

Dangerous Deansgate

When you start to take a closer look at the problems with the roads in central Manchester you start to realise that traffic law is simply not enforced.

I took a look at the junctions on Deansgate today, stopping to video a few light sequences. In over half the videos I took people drove through the lights on red.

In this first example the red Audi is so late through the red lights it passes through the pedestrian crossing on the green man.



In this second example two people drive through on red.



This third example shows a bus running the red light into Liverpool Road so late that the cars going through on green have to stop!



Finally a family on bikes try to get well ahead of the traffic...



Is it any wonder that cycling on Deansgate has declined? Manchester City Council has made this area far more dangerous and the police don't seem to do anything about the people who drive through red lights.

Sunday, 2 December 2012

Deansgate's Dangerous Road Narrowings

Deansgate has become a real problem for cycling, ever since the road narrowings were put in. If you want to reduce traffic flows then the most logical thing to do is reduce the number of lanes of traffic entering the junction. In Manchester, logic is in short supply.

Instead the road narrowings have been imposed on the exit from the junction and traffic in the left hand lane going north is supposed to turn left....



Well, this results in traffic queueing down the right hand lane and a nice inviting empty lane on the left....



This means that anyone cycling north along Deansgate ends up having to cycle in the left turning lane, but has to get over to the right at the junction. Even worse, the more aggressive drivers also drive down the left turning lane, only to push back in at the last minute.



Cycling south it is now almost impossible to turn right at this junction as you never know where the cars are coming from. Here the driver of the white van changes his mind once on the junction...



Further south at the junction with Liverpool road the situation is even worse. Here drivers are all over the place and keep going through the red light phase.



This car moves forwards through the ASL and the pedestrian crossing to get forward far enough to go straight on from the left turning lane. Pity anyone on a bicycle coming the other way trying to turn right.





So there you have it. A road narrowing scheme which was supposed to reduce the impact of traffic on Deansgate has resulted in the traffic behavior becoming far worse. I see fewer people cycling along here since this scheme was built. The design is so bad one wonders if a 10 year old could do better....

Sunday, 25 November 2012

Ghost Bike on Deansgate

I've never seen a ghost bike in Manchester before.



This one looks back to an event in November 2006, long before I came to Manchester.




It is quite moving that people have created this memorial six years later.